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Bleeding the clutch... Bleeding the Front Brake
« on: November 13, 2015, 02:57:49 PM »
Slowly... Ever so Slowly, I'm putting S/N 960 with 1375's engine back together... Putting Mini Apes on since I did a sheet metal change out from Orange w/ Green Flames to S/N 1968's Jennie sheet metal. (Don't ask... S/N 1968 was a runner.) Any way finally got the Clutch bled off. It helps to make sure ALL the fittings are tight before you jump the gun to rebuild the slave cylinder... Now.. The Front brake...!@#$%^! Been messing with it for a couple of days and almost there. So far.. Filled Master Cylinder and tried to bleed off... Getting a dribble, no pressure.. Tried the Mighty Vac. Sucking fluid through but still no build up of pressure...Took Banjo loose on Front Brake Cylinder and built up pressure there so I'm sure that is good. Have now put a clear hose on the bleed valve and ran it up above the Handle Bars and am able to pump it and get some bubbles. Poured fluid into hose to "balance" the system. Doing that has forced air back through the system and into the reservoir. Next may be a caliper switch out if I don't get pressure building up...
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Re: Bleeding the clutch... Bleeding the Front Brake
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2015, 03:41:12 PM »
I was working on a 01 Indian spirit a couple of years ago. Could not get the front brake to pump up for the life of not get any air out of it. I even went so far as to bleed each component. Kept fooling with it... No gravity bleed... 

I ended up taking a syringe and running it in one of the master cylinder ports in the tank... Rammed it. Hard, got pressure.
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Re: Bleeding the clutch... Bleeding the Front Brake
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2015, 04:10:56 PM »
Welp... I have fluid going through the system. Just not getting and pressure...Had pressure at the Master Cylinder.. Thinking about swapping out the Caliper...

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Re: Bleeding the clutch... Bleeding the Front Brake
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2015, 12:20:02 AM »
Take the caliper loose from the bracket but, keep all the plumbing attached. Pop out the pads. Clean everything in and around the pistons with degreaser, a toothbrush and then soapy water. You want that area meticulously clean.

Now start pumping the brake lever and put your hands in the caliper as you do it. Feel the pistons start to travel out. Keep pumping it until the pistons are extended to where you're afraid they're going to pop out. If they pop out, you went too far. You'll have to gauge this on your own from how deep the pistons feel.

Once the pistons are extended, clean the outsides exposed surfaces of the pistons with the toothbrush and 0000 steel wool and soapy water, followed by plenty of rinse water.

Now as hard as you can, squeeze those pistons back into the caliper with your hands. It shouldn't take more than a firm grip with your fingers. You'll hear the fluid rushing back into the master cylinder. You'll hear bubbles being forced by all the velocity.

Pop the cap on the master cylinder and I promise you'll see bubbles. Let those aerate out and repeat the pump-up and forcing the fluid back process a few more times. That will give you a good, 100% bleed.

It sounds complicated but, it's really not. You're just cleaning the pistons so you're not forcing brake dust and other crap into the caliper seals. Otherwise, it's just pumping the pistons out slowly, then forcing the fluid back uphill, very quickly by compressing the caliper with your hands.

I had to do the same with 1525's clutch upon reassembly. I pumped the fluid downhill, with the piston all the way out against the circlip. Then I tightened the screw quickly by hand, until the piston bottomed. I backed off the screw and repeated. I did that a few times and got a great bleed out of it, without using a Mityvac (couldn't find the Mityvac reservoir and wanted it done that day).
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Re: Bleeding the clutch... Bleeding the Front Brake
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2015, 05:43:25 PM »
Too late... I left the system open over night with fluid in a clear hose off the bleed and up above the reservoir... Pumped it a few time and bubbles appeared... This morning, closed bleed off and pumped a few times and had pressure. Will lower to ground and do a final bleed off to make sure no air in lines...

Thanks for you input Greg. The way you described is most thorough!

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Re: Bleeding the clutch... Bleeding the Front Brake
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2015, 04:44:29 AM »
OK, your method works too. Bleeding a hydraulic system is often 1/3 tools and 2/3 technique. Glad it's working for you.
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