99 Super X #1145 Being Semi-restored

[wytfut]

Yeah John.....
I talked to Jamie over a year ago.... and that year compared to the year before. Well he got a lot of tanks in with the liners falling apart.  He has found an outfit that relines the X tank with a material that doesn't break down. It isn't your common "tank cream" that several outfits are selling out there.
I do believe this is going to become a very common event with lots of X's that are sitting around instead of ridden.
One of the worst culperates is ethanol fuel sitting in the tanks for extended periods of time. According to Jamie, the fuel "stratifies" or separates out of its mixture. Once done, the alcohol is one level, moisture another, and the chemicals the other.
This witches brew is fine if the bike is ridden (but I gotta admit I won't use it, if I don't have to), but once its sitting around for a spell, its all bad news.
Jamie liner trick is ethanol proof .... so once its done it don't have to be done again. Unlike those other products out there...

[AZSUPERX]

I just replaced the pump, sock and regulator from Marty & Jamie. The inside of the tank looks great no peeling or flaking that I can see anywhere. There was a little trash in the tank but I flushed it out when I replaced the pump. I did notice the fuel line was coming apart form the tank to the injector rail, so I replaced it and added a filter for good measure! I put some more miles in it today with no issues. Hopefully the new fuel line and filter will stop anything from getting to the injectors.

[rt66john]

Bruce.....

Marty told me the same thing when I talked to her about my tank in 2011.  Living in the metro Chi-town area, I can't get away from E10 fuel.  That's one of the reasons I had them do the tank in the end.  That and it had rusted badly enough that I didn't feel confident I could get enough of the rust out to keep a new liner in place.

I even called vendors around Chicago to see what they could do.  They were cheaper, but none of them would guarantee no harm to the paint.  Several even told me I would have to wrap it up myself and if the wrapping failed, it'd be my problem.  That wasn't too inspiring for what was then a no-mile Jennie.

I agree with you.  I think we'll start seeing a bunch of these bikes with the factory liner failing in the future.  Fortunately, there is a solution available.

Az....

Good for you.  Best of luck.

[AZSUPERX]

Wow I guess it's a good thing I have a spare fuel tank!

[AZSUPERX]

Ok so I started having issues with it running rough and not wanting to idle, different simptoms from last time. I pulled the tank and found the liner is starting to peel   way back in the rear of the tank where I can only see with a mirror. The injectors are clean and I think I have a different issue now. It runs awesome when the temprature outside it cold but if when it warms up outside it doesn't want to idle but will run down the road fine. Almost like it is getting too much fuel. I have no codes and the only thing that looks odd on the scanner is the throttle position won't go below 10% and won't go over 90%. Temprature sensors both seem to be reading correctly. Could the IAC be getting lazy or starting to go bad? Once again any ideas would be greatly appreciated!

[wytfut]

AZ ....
I think you maybe on to sumthing, with your throttle. You can reset it with the SuperXtune (sorry I don't remember if you have that)
AIC could be gunked up... or going south too...   

But I'd be looking at the Throttle settings first...

Bruce

[AZSUPERX]

AZ ....
I think you maybe on to sumthing, with your throttle. You can reset it with the SuperXtune (sorry I don't remember if you have that)
AIC could be gunked up... or going south too...   

But I'd be looking at the Throttle settings first...

Bruce

I only have the factory EH scan tool the Examinator. Can it be done on that? I will go play around and see if it gives me an option.

[2CoolWheels]

Hey AZ,
   This response is a little off topic, but relates to a previous post in October. (Sorry for the late response, I guess I haven't been checking the site as often as I thought I was).
   You guys were talking about oil, and I wanted to recommend that you add something called ZDDP to your oil. It was actually recommended to me by a fellow Xer on the EHRB, and I did a little research on it.
   ZDDP was an additive used in motor oil which prevents wear, especially on non-roller cam engines. It's a friction modifier that protects cam followers or lifters and other high friction areas. When cars started using catalytic converters, the stopped adding it to motor oil because it damages the catalyst. 
   This explains why there were a lot of cam failures by many American car manufacturers over the last 40 years. This also explains why most cars have roller cams now.
   Oil that is advertised as "Motorcycle" oil may still have ZDDP in it, but I'm not sure. I usually run Napa 15-50 synthetic and add ZDDP to it as well. None of my local parts stores carry it, probably since there is little demand in the automobile world. I buy it on line, there's a few who sell it on eBay for around $8 - $10 a bottle. I usually buy several at a time to save a little money. For example:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-ZDDP-MAXX-ENGINE-OIL-ZDDP-ADDITIVE-ZINC-PHOSPHORUS-/270623997433?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3f02727df9&vxp=mtr

    Best of luck with your current problems, Bruce and Jumper are really great guys, always willing to help. (I can't be much help, I'm still learning these bikes myself). Fortunately for me, neither of my X's have had any driveability problems yet, and run like rocket powered tops! I've only dealt with charging system problems and transmission problems so far.
    Mike
  #741 #901

[wytfut]

Mike,.... you are far more of a wrench than I ever thought to be..... you're just new to this world!!

AZ.... I've never been around an Examinator.... and as primitive a tool (old technology) as it is.... I'd guess that you should be able to reset the throttle with it. But I can't tell you where it would be. I'm still very simple with the superxtune, but the more exposure I get to it, the more I like it.

[AZSUPERX]

Ok I played with the Examinator and find no option to set the throttle position sensor. I found options to reset all factory setting and now it will hardly run at all unless it's cold outside and the engine is cold. I think I'm going to buy a SuperXtune and at least I'll know thats done.

[wytfut]

I read this last nite....   
And I think your purchase of the superxtune is a smart move.... yeah I know its pricey, but its also very handy....

With it only running with the engine cool/cold and temps the same.... its sounds like its possibly running too much throttle  once it warms up.....     

lets see what the superxtune says... and maybe we can get Jamie to take some time to jump in here too.....

Bruce

[AZSUPERX]

I read this last nite....   
And I think your purchase of the superxtune is a smart move.... yeah I know its pricey, but its also very handy....

With it only running with the engine cool/cold and temps the same.... its sounds like its possibly running too much throttle  once it warms up.....     

lets see what the superxtune says... and maybe we can get Jamie to take some time to jump in here too.....

Bruce

I figure if it doesn't solve my current issue it will help down the road!

[Donkey Hotey]

You do realize that the Examinator handbook is hosted on this very site, right? The procedures you're looking for are on page 2-9 and 2-10.

http://www.excelsiorhenderson.com/pages/tech/pdf/EH_Examinator_Handbook_X.pdf

[wytfut]

No I didn't Donkey... thank you.
I'm no wizard on computers or this web site.
I'll admit I struggle with the superxtune.... but I get better everytime I'm around it. I'm finding it a great tool in my shop...

[AZSUPERX]

I will have to check that out. Thanks