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battery low
« on: October 19, 2022, 04:29:05 PM »
Hi there, I can't guess I could be so social, but I need your help again...
My #1700 started and worked very good after a fuel pump problem.
After about 40 miles of good speed the battery led lights on the panel, after another 40 miles my bike died and couldn't start because too low battery.
I charged with a charger and I could fire it up again. Pls note the battery is new, so it must be chemically ok.
It's quite clear (I think) the bike can't charge its battery; I saw other issues and I believe I have no bad ground, the ground cable on the crankase is very clean; I read someone took thicker battery cables and more/better ground between two other points; someone can explain?
Many thanks in advance...







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Re: battery low
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2022, 09:50:08 AM »
Sorry you’re having problems with your motorcycle.

This one is probably easier to solve. I don’t know how comfortable you are with electronics. Do you have a voltmeter?

First thing to understand is how that red light on the on instrument panel works. The light does not show anything to do with whether the system is charging or not. The light shows us when the charging system voltage is too low. By the time the light comes on you are already stuck somewhere.


The problem with this method is if you have a new battery, with a full charge, the light will not come on until it’s drained down. I think the light comes on at 10 volts.

As you already discovered, you can charge the battery and it will run like everything is normal until the voltage is under 10 volts again.


In summary: the light will not indicate a bad charging system until the battery is almost dead.

In my experience, the stator is bad. I have not seen a bad voltage regulator unless someone had a wiring problem that shorted the regulator.

If you want to check the stator:

One of the connectors on the voltage regulator has three wires and goes to the top-left side of the engine. That is the stator output.

Set a voltmeter to measure AC voltage. Start the motorcycle. Using the voltmeter, measure between two pairs of wires at a time (three combinations). The meter should indicate more than 20v at 2000 RPM. The number doesn’t have to be exact. This is usually good or it measures zero because the stator shorted.

I did have a partially shorted winding on one of my bikes. It passed this test but still could not charge the battery under a load. That’s why I’m cautious about trusting simple measurements. In truth the windings should be tested under a load but that is more complicated to do.

If you want to be sure, replace both the stator and the regulator. There are only two components and one (or both) of them is bad. As I wrote above: I have not seen a bad regulator on a super x yet. On my old Honda Gold Wing both components failed at the same time so some bikes do have those failures.


The short version (if you don’t want to do the measurements): the stator is bad.
« Last Edit: October 20, 2022, 12:27:15 PM by Donkey Hotey »
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Re: battery low
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2022, 05:10:43 AM »
I'm afraid you're right... it gave zero and nothing more than zero.

Any advice about a cross reference?? Triumph maybe...

Thanks always.

Luca

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Re: battery low
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2022, 06:07:19 AM »
I believe someone figured out a cross reference in the past but it required soldering the old harness to it. I don’t remember what it was.


The original part is still available:


https://ehparts.net/parts/ols/products/3699-0011-alternator-assembly-stator-and-rotor

That is both the stator and rotor together. He may also have just the stator for less money.

If you email them, Mike should also have the newer primary cover gasket that Atlantic E-H was having made. The material is better quality and is reusable.


If you haven’t done the clutch slave cylinder o rings in awhile, this would be the time to do them. They seem to go bad every 6-8 years for me.
« Last Edit: October 21, 2022, 06:10:31 AM by Donkey Hotey »
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Re: battery low
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2022, 08:14:02 AM »
Thank you again Greg!
what to say...problems are just an opportunity to find new solutions...

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Re: battery low
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2022, 12:07:42 PM »
Luca,


If it weren’t for the occasional breakdown or pictures from trips, we wouldn’t have anything to talk about.


Someday we would love to see pics of your bike somewhere scenic. Is yours one of the only Super Xs in Italy?
« Last Edit: October 21, 2022, 12:22:48 PM by Donkey Hotey »
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Re: battery low
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2022, 04:35:01 PM »
I'll do, and as far as I know my SuperX is the only one in Italy; there's a guy driving a museum who has an EH from the 1930es but I never met him so far.
I'm back as soon as I can, stay good you all.