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Re: Bike stalls after starting up and flat spot off idle
« Reply #75 on: December 30, 2018, 02:55:30 PM »
Okay I took it for a drive to the gas station and back. I feel more vibration at stoplights, probably because with all the mounts fixed it's transmitting more than before - no big deal just an observation.

Otherwise - wow does this bike run!  I never rode it running this well, what a great engine!  65 mph is smooth as glass and the engine seems happy.  No stalling.

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Re: Bike stalls after starting up and flat spot off idle
« Reply #76 on: December 30, 2018, 09:54:43 PM »
Yeah Joe, you’ve been through most of the trouble spots. She should be a good running machine now.
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Re: Bike stalls after starting up and flat spot off idle
« Reply #77 on: December 31, 2018, 10:59:12 AM »
I think our "sweet" spots are all pretty close. Mine is around a true 68 mph, or close to 2900rpms.... I could ride for ever in the sweet spot
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Re: Bike stalls after starting up and flat spot off idle
« Reply #78 on: December 31, 2018, 04:59:38 PM »
It’s funny that you mention that, Bruce. The guy I bought my Jennie from complained that he rode with all Harley guys and that his sweet spot was about 70 and didn’t agree with their sweet spots which were about 10 MPH slower. He said he was always creeping up on them on the road.

The Super X is also the only bike I have that is geared so high that I have to remind myself that there are four other gears and it’s okay to use them. Most bikes are good in top gear on the open road but I often find myself lugging the engine (below 2k rpm) and needing to downshift to bring the revs back for a clean pass or to climb a grade without lugging it.
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Re: Bike stalls after starting up and flat spot off idle
« Reply #79 on: January 01, 2019, 10:44:20 PM »
Yeah... Xs don't like to.lug....
Back in the early days Xman said never run our bikes under 2300.....
Which I adapted myself to do....
His theory was that X's will hammer mains at low lugging speeds.
I don't know if it's true or not but I've a habit of never lugging under 2300
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Re: Bike stalls after starting up and flat spot off idle
« Reply #80 on: April 28, 2019, 06:05:05 PM »
This thread is a little old and I have done a lot of fixes since I originally posted - I thought everything was fixed and it seemed to be for a little while but then the same old thing came back.  Bike stalls after starting up and a flat spot after idle.

What changed this time around is things got worse (easier to find the root cause :-))  The bike would stall after starting as usual but it was really hard or impossible to keep it running - the front cylinder wasn't firing.

Its fuel related because with starting fluid it will start and stay running like it should.  I took the injector off and it seems to be operating normally.

I should point out that during all this troubleshooting I developed a problem blowing the ignition fuse.  It took about 20 fuses but I finally located a wire that passes through the frame near the back of the tank that had a nick in the insulation.  If I hadn't seen the spark I probably never would have found it.

Anyway back to the injector.  There are two wires to each injector, power (12V) and a signal wire.  So I checked both injectors, each power wire had ~12v.  I checked the signal wire while cranking the engine over.  The rear cylinder was giving readings between 10 to 12 volts.  The front cylinder was giving reading around 4.5 to 5.5 volts.  I did not make note of the polarity.

So, I'm thinking the problem with the front cylinder is the signal from the ECM.  So here is the question, does the ECM sound plausible or is there something else I'm not considering?

Thank you,

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Re: Bike stalls after starting up and flat spot off idle
« Reply #81 on: April 28, 2019, 06:46:16 PM »
Joe...
Crazy to me, but it appears to be ECU related. Without looking at schematic, that signal wire hoes straight to ECU correct?

I'm second guessing myself now.... Could be coil. Try swapping coils first...
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Re: Bike stalls after starting up and flat spot off idle
« Reply #82 on: April 28, 2019, 08:22:23 PM »
Yep - right back to the ECU so I suppose the ECU or the wire itself going to the ECU.

Spark is fine, the bike starts and idles fine on both cylinders with some starting fluid

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Re: Bike stalls after starting up and flat spot off idle
« Reply #83 on: April 29, 2019, 09:36:44 AM »
Underneath the tank on the throttle body is a Schrader valve (air valve like on a tire). What's the pressure reading....  Gotta be 50+pounds
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Re: Bike stalls after starting up and flat spot off idle
« Reply #84 on: April 29, 2019, 09:52:42 AM »
Pressure is right on.  Plus both injectors see the same pressure and the rear one works fine
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Re: Bike stalls after starting up and flat spot off idle
« Reply #85 on: April 29, 2019, 07:56:45 PM »
OK Joe....
It is possible it could be ECU issues... I've heard of prongs tarnishing and even rusting off...
Bit I still want to look at everything simpler/cheaper first.
Get me back up to speed...
Have the injectors been replaced or rebuilt?
How long has it sat. Even with any previous owners.. Any extended periods?  How's the tank liner?
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Re: Bike stalls after starting up and flat spot off idle
« Reply #86 on: May 11, 2019, 09:13:22 AM »
Here is the update:  I got a new ECM from Atlantic but it made no difference.  The signal wire to injectors is 4.5 volts at rest still so I guess that is what it should be.

I'm looking at the injectors now.  Frankly I don't know what's left.  Fuel pump pressure and flow check good.  Signal to the injectors is good.  Runs fine when I squirt starting fluid on the air filter element.

So this morning I sent the injectors off to Atlantic for an exchange.  They sell cleaned and rebalanced injectors for $65 each (with exchange). 

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Re: Bike stalls after starting up and flat spot off idle
« Reply #87 on: May 11, 2019, 05:06:19 PM »
Joe pretty sure you made the correct move...
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Re: Bike stalls after starting up and flat spot off idle
« Reply #88 on: May 11, 2019, 05:55:05 PM »
Fuel Pump ????

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Re: Bike stalls after starting up and flat spot off idle
« Reply #89 on: May 27, 2019, 02:44:28 AM »
I got a set of cleaned injectors back from Atlantic (may have been the ones I sent them but it doesn't matter).  Wow what a difference!  The bike starts right up and does not stall, I have ridden around the block a few times and it seems perfect.  It's a different machine :-)
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